Myth Confirmed: Samsung Embraces Analog Sunset Early [UPDATED]

regarding the impossible - LG and Samsung sets have accepted 1080p over component for some time now if that’s what you were referring to. It’s possible, just not part of the official spec and usually not supported, the Xbox 360 is one source that will do 1080p over component. though.

April fools?

Yes with Xbox that is possible. it has been known but I was just stating the impossibility of the spec if another spec stopped it at 480p.

No not April fools unfortunately. I have been watching this info spread for about a week. Finally decided to do some calling around.

You should repost this tomorrow so people searching around don’t think it IS an April Fool’s joke…

Dude Jim you are so right! You should have mentioned that in our thread else where to stop me lol. I hope we can get to the bottom of it all!

When I get back to my computer, I will add a “no fooling’” notice.

I wonder if the same holds true for the D series BluRay?  I have 3 of those going in next week with existing TVs that only have component video.  Bummer if true.

We tested 2 new D7000 LED TV’s last night and they were able to pass 1080i through component video. Is this only on D8000 LED TV’s????

I thought that analog sunset only applied to the component video output of Blu-ray players and only affected movies manufactured with the new DRM scheme?  (Thank you AACS LA for fixing what ain’t broke!)

Samsung, if you are listening, why not let the Blu-ray players handle this and keep the TV’s out of it?  It’s bad enough that we as integrators (and our clients) have to endure this “change”

Joe,
you are creating more confussion than clarification. the Sunset Analog refers to source components like BD Player, CATV, Sat Receivers, etc and their respective Component outputs.
On the other hand Displays Devices like LED, LCD, Plasma, DLP and the likes will take any resolution being fed to the unit and WILL only scaled it to the native resolution of the display device.
if you feed 1080p BD to a 720p Display Device, it will be downconverted to 720p. if you feed 480p DVD to a 1080p Display Device it will be upconverted to 1080p.

Enrique, sorry, that was me confusing the issue with the story title. Trying to be a little cheeky. It’s baffling why Samsung TVs would only support 480p over component. Joe is trying to track down an explanation.

Julie,
Again all these Display Devices will not do anything more than scale to their native resolution in this case to 1080p. It is more likely they’ll restrict the resolution output @ the source to only 480p over component, but not on the Display.

Thanks Julie for that clarification.
Enrique, DoHiDef and the rest of our readers, maybe I want everybody to be as confused in this as I am so we can demand some clarification from Samsung on this subject. Although displays are not not listed by the Advanced Access Content System it has been talked about by many long time CePro’s and Display manufacturers that it may only be a matter of time before it may span to Newly Manufactured Display devices as well.

Enrique no intentional confusion to our audience is intended. But to even think of the term “Analog Sunset” as a real OFFICIAL term for anything that the AACS has up there sleeves is already a
mis-education of consumers and integrators everywhere.

I would like to note here that the term “Analog Sunset” is about as generic of a coined phrase as there ever was. Here is a quick reminder of what the Analog Sunset has been in the past, what it is now, and how you might as well add the limitation of HD resolutions on component video inputs to the list of what it generically is .

Analog Sunset Version 1:
Today is the day the federal government says cell phone companies can stop providing service to analog cellular users. It’s all part of the plan to improve coverage and service options through digital signals.…The industry calls the changeover “analog sunset.” Feb. 18, 2008

Analog Sunset Version 2:
The Analog Sunset

The United States digital television transition is a government mandated switchover from analog television broadcasting to purely digital.  June 12, 2009

Analog Sunset Version 3:
the analog sunset is part of the Advanced Access Content System, or
AACS license agreement. Present to 2013

Analog Sunset Version 4:
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So even postulating that the Analog Sunset as a name is some type of REAL description of a statute should really be rethought by anyone in the CE market. Even Extron notes that “Analog Sunset is a LOOSE term in the a/v industry”.

After a little more thought, with AACS currently upon us with HD output resolutions already being limited, why would a manufacturer spend the extra time and money for the extra required tech “yes there actually is some involved” involved to support multiple input resolutions on an analog input when they are pretty much forbidden to support multiple resolutions on there outputs.

Some Food For Thought Guys.

“It is more likely they’ll restrict the resolution output @ the source to only 480p over component.”

This is already the case. Licensed manufacturers can no longer introduce any new Blu-ray model with an analog output offering a signal of higher resolution than S-video or 480i digital video (or, in PAL and SECAM countries, 576i).

“Again all these Display Devices will not do anything more than scale to their native resolution in this case to 1080p.”

That may be the case when sending a 480 signal to a 1080p display. However upscaled or upconverted 480 is not the same as true 1080p. filling in the gaps to create an image that matches that resolution is far from the true thing.

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