Very cool!

JDS has the poor man’s version - really nice piece of software for cheap. Been around for many years.
http://www.jdstechnologies.com/homerunner.html

http://www.cinemarsolutions.com/ has a simimlar suite of products called Mainlobby. Very powerful and super inexpensive (as is JDS but never heard of them).

Is it just me or do the pictures in the Savant piece not look that “pro”?

still no match for Savant, though, with its Mac OS X-based architecture.

The YouTube video does not do the demo justice. The touchpanel has swipe control just like an iPhone. I will try to get something better. For example, the lights turn on, off and dim on the touchpanel via animation when you place your finger on the lamp.

OS X-based products are for Booger Eaters who are willing to overpay just because.  Really Julie, you’re now on the Apple bandwagon?

By referring to it an “actual photo” and calling it a “skin” implies that this is something applied to a static controller—and that certainly is not an accurate description of the product!

And as for you, Jive Turkey, lighten up. Next you’ll be throwing rocks.

I be light.

@Jive (coincidentally, I do eat my boogers).

By that comment I meant that JDS and Cinemar have great GUIs, but can’t take advantage of the native Apple gesture capabilities.

A cool interface matched up with a weak company with no real go to market stratagey is surely a recipe for success!! lol
JDS probably has hundreds of times as many installs as Savant does at this stage so I doubt that they can really be a “game changer”

@Julie I thought I saw something funny going into your mouth at EHX, but now I know for sure what it was.

Not to sound like a Savant hater or Crestron/AMX fanboy, but aside from the gestures, is there anything here that couldn’t be done with Crestron, AMX, or other Control Systems using similar background photos and animated buttons for on/off state? Can this support multi-mode buttons to show multiple levels of dimming feedback in the photo, or is it simply on/off. This could be done with Crestron with their multi-mode buttons.

The problem with this approach is there is no way to take a natural looking photo that encompasses 360 degrees of the room. If you want to adjust a light that is behind you and not in the photo, you will need to (I assume) swipe/pan to another photo in order to get access to that light. Not only is this slightly disorienting, but it requires additional clicks and gestures for simply turning on a light.

Although a list of generic icons is not as sexy as the real life photo approach, at least it’s intuitive and requires less touches/clicks which are two major goals of successful UI design.

I applaud Savant for their efforts, its a major improvement over their previous UIs which I thought looked outdated. I just take exception to the game changer claims.

@Casey, from what I understand, a 360-degree panning camera is used so you can spin around the room (like they do to showcase homes for sale).

All of the typical automation scenarios are available as well (macros, icons, etc.). This is just another tool and something to throw into the Wow bucket.

What dealers tend to like most about Savant is the ease of programming and the ability to incorporate applets into the programs.

The video above certainly doesnt show any kind of smooth panning, rather jumping from one static photo to another, again nothing that could not be done with another control system.

I fully agree the ease of programming is huge, but I have not seen any in-depth coverage of the RacePoint Blueprint software, just a few screenshots and vague outlines of what it does.

When I last spoke with Savant they were using Photoshop to create their UI templates and using some kind of exporter to their native template format. This in my opinion IS a game changer, eliminating much of the headache of making revisions in Photoshop then having to slice and export graphics to VTProE or TPDesign, then having to re-assemble the graphics in those tools. Unfortunately I have not seen any in depth coverage of this. That could make a great follow up feature.

@Casey, I defer to the experts…

Sorry to be a pest, If this was completely lame, I would just move along and not comment, but there is potential here and I do appreciate what they are doing so I have questions.

If they have done away with icons for individual lights in lieu of touching the actual light, how do you adjust a light that isn’t exactly visible. In the video above I saw some indirect lighting hidden behind molding, Is someone supposed to know that if they touch wood trim, it will turn on a light? I also saw some lights in a dark theater ceiling that weren’t at all visible, yet the user knew to touch a blank dark area of the photo. On many usability levels, this just fails.

I have seen hybrid approaches that use a true photo of the room as seen above but provides an icon to indicate a hot spot of activity where the user can interact. The design above could benefit from such an approach.

I don’t think you’re being a pest Casey. These are great questions. I’ll let Jason K or Savant chime in.

Most wealthy clients are smart enough to realize that the money they save with Control4 can be put into the hardware.  Unless they’re an idiot, Savant makes sense.

This is definitely cool but IMO the picture of the room novelty would wear off pretty quick for me. We all love it because were techno geeks. Its the GUI equivalent of buttkickers on theater chairs. “woo.. wow.. cool.. how do i shut this thing off”. Floor Plan view with Lighting/Climate/AV icons will serve the same purpose.

Years of experience with clients and user interfaces has shown me that 99.9% of my clients want to press ON and OFF for lights. They have a handful of ways that they use the room and “Scene” macros give them the ability to do this much faster than clicking each light and adjusting it.

I cant tell how close they have come to the iphone/itouch from the video but the applesque gestures are cool.

Im not very familiar with Savant. I have never seen it in person. From what i have seen on the web and no idea how it compares to Crestron or AMX in terms of pricing.. I don’t really understand where they fit into the market. The coffee table touchscreen for example. I cant see my clients hunched over a coffee table trying to control their home.

I am adding it to my bucket list. I need to make sure there’s enough sugar in the koolaid.

Me: http://www.wiremunky.com

The youtube video is not working. All I can find on the net are some shaky cam videos of savant in action.

I’ve shown customers picture backgrounds and floorplan backgrounds and they prefer basic on/off, bright/dim, and bargraph feedback of dim level time after time.  They do prefer fixture “icons” for better visual representation (table lamps, overheads, ropes, chandeliers, etc).  Also I agree with “39centstamp” that scene buttons and the ability for customers to adjust their lights and scene-save/recall are the mostly used for quick lighting adjustments most of the time.

All of what is mentioned in the article can and has been done with crestron/amx, but how much time did it take to do it in all of the systems as a comparison, and how functional is it really?  Is it a novelty first impression or does it work the best long term (for any of the 3 major two-way systems).

I’ve shown customers picture backgrounds and floorplan backgrounds and they prefer basic on/off, bright/dim, and bargraph feedback of dim level time after time.  They do prefer fixture “icons” for better visual representation (table lamps, overheads, ropes, chandeliers, etc).  Also I agree with “39centstamp” that scene buttons and the ability for customers to adjust their lights and scene-save/recall are the mostly used for quick lighting adjustments most of the time.

All of what is mentioned in the article can and has been done with crestron/amx, but how much time did it take to do it in all of the systems as a comparison, and how functional is it really?  Is it a novelty first impression or does it work the best long term (for any of the 3 major two-way systems).

-Matt
http://www.controllercodes.com

Savant removed the YouTube video.  It’s not a game changer it’s trying to keep up with the other control systems, or to justify the $$$$ cost.

Savant is planning to post a better video that will answer many of the questions here, plus show the functionality better. I hope it will be up soon (hint, hint)
Casey—in regards to your question about “hidden” lamps, it’s a good one. Obviously, for the demo all the light sources were visible that they were activating.
The demo did have buttons for “Lights” “TV” etc. that the homeowner can use if they prefer that type of interface.

My guess is they pulled the video after a patent infringement threat

Looks cool, but kinda ‘gimmicky’ to me. I tend to agree with 39 Cent Stamp on this one. The bonafide control solutions that Crestron and AMX, and even Control4 to a lesser extent, are introducing are technologically way more advanced, extremely scalable, and not flash in the pan products.

Just my opinion and the 17 years of “in the trenches” integration experience I’ve accumulated over the years.

Wow, I cannot wait to see what they can do with such technology.  Think a lot of good things are coming for us gamers!

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