Kaleidescape Loses DVD Ripping Appeal Against DVD CCA

@ Joel

Agreed. Problem is that all this DRM hasn’t stopped the pirates and only alienated the legitimate user.

Being in software development I under stand both the rights holder and customers side of things.

DMCA/DRM/Copyright have all slewed in favor of corporate interests and left the honest consumer swaying at the end of a noose.

Remember these mechanisms are only illegal because a law says they are. Doesn’t mean it’s right, just illegal. My personal stance is to do this as a form of civil disobedience. I pay for my content. I am not out there making it available. Yet I am treated like a criminal every time I put a dvd in to watch it. THAT is what is truly messed up.

@ Berg,  I think you need to review the processes and understand what is going on here. Kaleidescape (ARQ & Escient)are closed environments (Kal more so than others), they don’t require you to use a 3rd party software which leaves the content stripped of it’s CSS / copy protection. While it’s not impossible to copy content off of their system (or any), it is so difficult to do so, then have a relevant copy capable of playback that there is no payoff.

The focus should be on Windows and Apple which enable the masses to rent Net Flix and rapidly copy movies and leave behind vulnerable files which are quickly and forever duplicable (sorry if that’s not a word). Net Flix should be doing something to prevent this.

The issue here isn’t copyright- it’s copy responsibility…

Hi Joel,

People have been duping since the printing press. This isn’t new.

The only thing that has changed is the massive scale and ease of the digital formats. That I don’t have an answer too.

But I do know that sticking the screws to me (the paying consumer) isn’t one of those ways.

@ Mark, I think we are on the same side of this- I’ll elaborate. Allow liscencable software and then only the criminals with criminal intent (distribution with out renumeration to the original copyright holder) will be in violation.

I well understand that this has been an issue since, and before the press were invented. How many monks and clerics would be put in jail today
for translating to various languages? This is the way they want it- pay for english, pay for spanish, pay for latin, pay for 640 x 480, pay for 1920 x 1080, pay, pay ,pay.

So again, I think the issue isn’t copyright- it’s copy responsibility. We need to (as an industry)
show that their rights are as important as ours.

Movie providers must rightly worried about people selling Kaleidescapes and the like with movies already loaded as an incentive.

No I’m not in the movie industry - if DVDs/BDs went straight to chapter 1 I wouldn’t be ripping them myself (especially Disney for the kids).

Forcing everyone to watch a time wasting “boogieman will get you” FBI warning each time is a sign of desperation IMHO when a barely conspicuous “Copyright 2009” is sufficiently legal.  Freaking annoying too.

It’s funny how everyone wants to complain about how unfair this is, and just continue to beat a dead horse.  The reality is that nobody cares about what you think is right, how you feel you should be able to handle your content, or what is fair or unfair.  All of your complaining will result in nothing, so if you have a strong opinion put your money where your mouth is and file a law suit against those that you feel our wronging you.  After all, hasn’t that become the American Way?

In regards to Kaleidescape.  They are going to be stuck in this legal battle for another couple of years and during that time downloadable media will take over and since Kaleidescape has pissed off those who would give them that ability they will become the best, most expensive piece of outdated technology available for sale.  That is of course if their contracts don’t expire before hand in which case they will likely not be renewed or that they don’t run out of money with all of the legal fee’s.

Now the sad thing is that I love the Kaleidescape products.  They are the most intuitive, trouble free, best products in our industry. The problem is they are so stuck on being right that they don’t seem to have planned for the future.  What does the next 5 years look like? DVD? No way! Blu Ray? You don’t support it and it’s still a disc. Downloadable Media? Absolutely, and how are you going to make nice with those in your law suit so you can have this capability?  How are you going to differentiate yourself from the media center tv’s, apple tv’s, and other boxes of the world that have more marketshare than you and sell for under $500?

You have a long road to travel.  Best of luck to you!